Classic Literature -> Communism: NO, SERIOUSLY

Post by **Alexis Janson** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:51 pm

http://yahoo.com/ wrote:
Commodore wrote:communist or not, Swift's one of the finer writers there ever was! Plus I'm not sure how communist you can be when you're a priest. But the most socialist portion of the book was the horses, not the liliputians at all. The first two parts of the book were stabs at the parliment and the king.
Are you implying that Christianity and Communism are mutually exclusive?

http://castlezzt.net/~gjanson/14%20Chri ... Stupid.mp3

Post by **Dr. Dos** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:58 pm

i'm not getting an mp3!

This is easier to download.

Post by **http://yahoo.com/** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:10 am

It's like the Da Vinci code with illustrations!

Post by **Alexis Janson** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:05 am

Dr. Dos wrote:i'm not getting an mp3!

but dos, it's not just about christianity! it's about christianity AND COMMUNISM

superbowl shuffle · Post by **superbowl shuffle** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:44 am

Religion exists in a realm of thought that is independent from science and people who don't know anything about the real world that go around calling christians stupid can suck my dick.

ps I'm drunk

Post by **TTTPPP** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:20 am

Dr. Dos wrote:

"Why is there evil?" is a pretty big question and it's not easy to answer because it's really vague. I suggest these other questions, I don't know if they amount to the same thing, but at least I can come up with answers that satisfy me to these ones.
Why can people do evil things?
Why do bad things happen to good people?
Why are there natural disasters?

"Who invented God?" is a pretty short sighted question. Presumably anyone who believes in a God that creates stuff believes that the God doesn't need creating.

One consistent framework for this would be that our universe is a small subspace of God's universe. In God's universe time doesn't exist the same as it does in ours, or maybe God is an entity that exists in all time at once. So given that God exists 'outside' of time, it doesn't make sense to ask who created God.

Of course none of this stops you hating religious people.

Commodore · Post by **Commodore** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:00 am

the only thing I know is that I'm not going to know, so really it's all good fun just to speculate on all theories. That's what sci-fi is good for.

Post by **MadTom** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:18 pm

I think it's pretty funny how that comic's whole argument is unabashedly and deliberately ad hominem.

Seventh Shade · Post by **Seventh Shade** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:00 pm

Take this religious debate to digitalmzx where it belongs!

Ando · Post by **Ando** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:30 pm

The dialogue in the comic is almost as if tyrannous wrote it.

But what do I know?

Zephyr · Post by **Zephyr** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:10 am

i hear tyrannous also wrote the communist manifesto
confirm/deny

Post by **TTTPPP** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:28 am

Dr. Dos wrote:

Assuming there exists a god with quite a lot of power, and given that there are a large number of people in the world who don't know anything about such a god, then the only reasonable conclusion I can come up with is that the god doesn't want discovering by everyone. If the god did want discovering they'd make themselves visible for instance, or just a perminant voice in people's heads.

So if there is a god with quite a lot of power then it's reasonable to assume they don't want it to be obvious that they exist.

This is where I become a bit unstuck, because I don't know enough about religions other than Christianity to know why people believe this. I'm sure that not even all Christians will have the same reasons as mine. Anyway I think most Christians believe god leaves the question of his existence open to debate because it's important for people to have faith (and with proof there can be no faith).
A reason why god might want people to have faith could be that god is battling against an evil entity, and the aim is to win the support of people on the earth.
A different reason why god might want people to have faith, could be that the world is a testing ground, and people in it are selected/rejected on whether they have faith or not.

Anyway all these things are pretty spurious conjecture without any evidence, and the evidence that one person uses to justify a believe in a god will often mean nothing to another person. The aim here wasn't to suggest that my beliefs were right, but to show that they weren't absurdly childish.

Incedently, I have several problems believing atheism:
Did the big bang happen? (I think it did) What happened before the big bang? (If anything)
Do we have souls? If not then how do we make decisions? If we can't make decisions then what's the point in living?

I'm not suggesting here that atheism can't be consistent, but I do think that most atheists haven't thought through what they believe carefully. For instance a large number of people believe blindly that science holds all the answers, and that it is infallible. In both science and religion there are a lot of people who believe what they're told to without questioning or testing it. It's important for scientists to try to justify what they believe, and I think it's just as important for people to think about why they believe/don't believe in a god.

Sorry for the length of that - to make it up to you here's a midget about to be killed by a illegal pool shot

Aplsos · Post by **Aplsos** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:01 am

OH BOY RELIGIOM!

TTTPPP wrote:Incedently, I have several problems believing atheism:
Did the big bang happen? (I think it did) What happened before the big bang? (If anything)

If we had figured this out for certain we wouldn't be having this discussion?

TTTPPP wrote:Do we have souls? If not then how do we make decisions? If we can't make decisions then what's the point in living?

When you say "souls", are you referring to free will? Because that lives in the brainscape. However, if you mean ghosts, I don't know what to tell you! (:learn: By the way, the point in living is to survive long enough to make more humans.)

TTTPPP wrote:For instance a large number of people believe blindly that science holds all the answers, and that it is infallible.

The whole point of science is that, unlike the WORD OF GOD, for the most part it isn't infallible! That is why scientists are constantly testing old theories in new ways, and coming up with new hypothoses. They have to do something all day to get paid!

superbowl shuffle · Post by **superbowl shuffle** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:02 pm

There have been incorrect or questionable theories in science but these have never been accepted as blindly as religious dogmas have been. Modern science especially involves a lot of peer review and proof.

Ando · Post by **Ando** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:04 pm

I wouldn't necessarily say that about the Autism Spectrum Theory.

But that's another story, entirely...