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Autobiographical content on user pages?

Do you think we should go through each bio page and move the autobiographical content to everyone's respective user page? If we do, the bio pages would have a more consistent format (bio, comments), while the person in question gets an entire page for their autobiography, pictures, links, whatever they want to put up.

--burstroc 05:02, 22 October 2006 (PDT)

No, I think it's fine as it is. The whole encyclopaedia isn't even remotely neutral point of view, and I don't think there's any value in making distinctions between what's autobiographical and what isn't. In most cases, it's pretty obvious anyway.

--MadTom 01:19, 24 October 2006 (PDT)

Vandalism

I just rolled back about thirty articles that some dumb prick (66.229.17.106) vandalised with a fake quote. I think it was the same person who kept editing the ZZTude node.

I realise it's not much of a protective effort, but can we get a quick vote on actually making the wiki so that it can be edited only by registered (and ideally approved) users?

--Tomsacold 21:15, 2 July 2006 (PDT)

You have my full approval. Revvy said that we'll need access to the files on the site, I think; who has access?

--Quantum P. 21:34, 2 July 2006 (PDT)

I do! Action has been taken. From now until people complain enough for me to get into LocalSettings.php and change it back, you will see only registered names on the recent changes list.

--burstroc 18:08, 3 July 2006 (PDT)

Who's doing this? Also, should mod approval be enabled? If we do enable mod approval, we'd more than likely hire on another admin or two.

--burstroc 23:12, 16 July 2006 (PDT)

zztude has arisen from his grave and will stop at nothing to destroy zultimate and everything it stands for, because it says he sucked

mod approval is probably a good idea, it's obvious that this guy is a pathetic moron who won't quit fucking with writeups unless forced. --Nadir 06:03, 17 July 2006 (PDT)

Did this get undone? There have been a couple of edits by IP addresses, not registered users.

--Quantum P. 20:56, 8 August 2006 (PDT)

I uploaded the wrong LocalSettings.php file. Sorry about that. Also, I don't know if mod approval for new registrations would be so necessary. I've only seen one or two accounts of recent vandalism from people who took the time to register an account.

--burstroc 23:34, 8 August 2006 (PDT)

ZU Email

I've purchased a little bit of email space for you ZUltimate admins. I can either set it up as POP3 or just forwarding. Mine's moonpie(at)zultimate.org... what's yours?

--Moonpie 00:26, 6 July 2006 (PDT)


How about burstroc(unt)zultimate.org, which forwards to adrian(de)hillofants.com! I'D REALLY LIKE THAT!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAugh. AAAAAAAAGHGHAHGHGHGHGHHGHG

--burstroc 19:31, 6 July 2006 (PDT)


burstrocunt

--Kjorteo 01:52, 7 July 2006 (PDT)


terryn [aht] zultimate [dawt] org thanks. POP account in this case!

--Terryn 16:29, 7 July 2006 (PDT)


kjorteo you only hate me because it's the cool thing to do (edit: i guess that might have been a reference to the band "anal cunt", in which case i'd be most apologetic.)

--burstroc 17:10, 7 July 2006 (PDT)


It was a reference to the fact that you said burstroc(unt) and for whatever reason didn't expect anyone to notice! It doesn't matter who you are! This is Z2!!!!!!!

--Kjorteo 20:57, 7 July 2006 (PDT)

IRC quote template

Can we write a template to make IRC quotes work correctly? The monospace font is fine, but it doesn't wrap, which can be annoying. Ideally this would include a hanging indent for new lines, the way they appear in an mIRC window. I'm pretty sure that's possible with CSS, if not wiki markup.

--MadTom 09:00, 28 May 2006 (PDT)


OK, Quantum P. made Template:Quote, which seems to work really well. I tried tinkering with it to make the lines wrap with an indent, but I think you'd have to make a new DIV for each one, so we might as well just leave it. I'll start changing quotes as I see them. Thanks Quantum

--MadTom 05:35, 4 June 2006 (PDT)


The quote template isn't perfect; among other things, each line has to be terminated with <br/>, and I don't think that the style of the quote box will change when you change the skin you view ZU in. I was reading up on making text wrap in PRE boxes, which might fix these problems; unfortunately, I couldn't get it to work. I'll speak with my computer teacher about it; he teaches a HTML class, and he ought to know a bit about CSS.

--Quantum P. 15:15, 4 June 2006 (PDT)


Alright, I've discussed the problem with my teacher. MadTom's suggested feature - having each line of text indented - is possible, but like he said, it cannot be done without surrounding each line of text with some kind of tag. However, this might be easier than it seems. In wiki formatting, blocks of text separated by two lines are turned into paragraphs, and a P tag is slipped around each of them. This could be used to indent each line; the P tag would be adjusted to not do much of anything when within a DIV.quote. The disadvantage is that instead of typing this:

<Person 1> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit.
<Person 2> Nam purus est, faucibus eu, auctor non, mattis non, dolor.
<Person 1> Integer mauris ante, ullamcorper a, tempus quis, placerat in, leo.

...you would have to type this:

<Person 1> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit.

<Person 2> Nam purus est, faucibus eu, auctor non, mattis non, dolor.

<Person 1> Integer mauris ante, ullamcorper a, tempus quis, placerat in, leo.

To me, the extra work isn't quite worth the fancy indentation, and the code looks a bit uglier, but I'll leave the decision up to the public.

The CSS would be a bit prettier if I were allowed to place some of the code in the main CSS files. Is that possible to do through the wiki system, or would I need FTP access?

--Quantum P. 17:54, 8 June 2006 (PDT)


I just saw this bit on making preformatted text wrap: http://users.tkk.fi/~tkarvine/pre-wrap-css3-mozilla-opera-ie.html

--Quantum P. 09:58, 4 December 2006 (PST)

Timelines

I think this has already been suggested, but it was a neat idea so I'd like to bring it up again. Could we make a long page with a timeline of ZZT, divided into headings under years? It would take a while to decide what events were important and which weren't, but there are ones on which everyone ought to agree (e.g., zzt.org going down).

At the very least, everything post-2002 should be very easy to reconstruct, given that Z2's news archive since then is still intact. How about it?

--MadTom 09:11, 28 May 2006 (PDT)


A very good idea. If there are a lot of minor and not-quite-major events, maybe we could have one large timeline with the major events and a bunch of separate pages that go into a bit more detail for each year.

--Quantum P. 16:11, 28 May 2006 (PDT)


"Ando is Autistic" would span up to about 8 months, lol

So yeah I'm interested in this.

--Ando 16:25, 28 May 2006 (PDT)


I suppose I could make a start on this, I have a couple of ideas.

--MadTom 05:35, 4 June 2006 (PDT)


Login required to edit?

Should logging in to ZU be a requirement to edit pages? If it is, it'll make it that much cleaner around here, but it might deter new users and it'll make it a bit of a hassle to edit pages. Consider, though, that the vast majority of retarded edits to ZU come from people who haven't logged in. So what's it gonna be? The future is up to you

--burstroc 10:46, 3 May 2006 (PDT)


Require logging in, I'm tired of the edits by random IPs

--MadTom 20:14, 13 May 2006 (PDT)


I'm for it, I guess. If people can figure out how to create an account on Z2, they can figure out how to create an account on MediaWiki.

--Quantum P. 12:15, 25 May 2006 (PDT)


  • Aye Quantum is right.

--burstroc 22:22, 25 May 2006 (PDT)


I thought you quit the community

--Kjorteo 04:01, 26 May 2006 (PDT)


In the ZZT LJ, he only said he'd quit the messageboards and irc, but still come here.

--Terryn 07:10, 26 May 2006 (PDT)


For what it's worth, we've been pornspammed four times by users without logins, and the number's sure to go up.

--Terryn 08:18, 10 June 2006 (PDT)


If somebody could help me find where you can actually make administrative changes like to the wiki, I'd be happy to fix it. Unfortunately, this seems quite complicated to do.

--Revvy 21:42, 10 June 2006 (PDT)


Ok, I figured it out. Unfortunately, only people with ftp access can fix this because it requires changing a line in LocalSettings.php. For information, see [1].

--Revvy 21:51, 10 June 2006 (PDT)


Random trivia and ZU

Atrocity already got himself in trouble for creating a bunch of nodes about AustNet characters that no one really cares about. Now kev-san is making a bunch of person and company bios. Even Terryn was doing it a while ago, though Terryn is cool, so I'll have to assume all the people Terryn randomly created were actually relevant somehow and just before my time or something. But anyway, my point is that there seems to be a disturbing trend of making nodes about random guys you happen to know. Assuming we don't want to make a nazi rule like no making new nodes unless at least one existing node links to it, how would we go about addressing this deluge of random bios?

--Kjorteo 13:05, 2 May 2006 (PDT)


By the looks of it, Terryn was filling in a few links on the 24 Hours of ZZT page. I looked over the articles and even though I don't really know who these people are, they were still ZZTers and MZXers, and thus they are topical. Atrocity's articles, on the other hand, had to do with random idiots on Austnet who have next to nothing to do with anything here. So yeah, I've just been going on whether or not it has to do with ZZT, MegaZeux, or their respective communities.

--burstroc 13:52, 2 May 2006 (PDT)


"new project: every zzter on this page should have an article! hop to it. --Dave2 15:41, 1 May 2006 (PDT)"

So yeah. Right on the money, burst.

--Terryn 13:54, 2 May 2006 (PDT)


jeez you guys are idiots

-zamors


kev's stuff is relevant to zzt land, albeit it's a bunch of stuff that even i don't remember too well that happened back in like 1996. i guess it's okay --Nadir 11:09, 3 May 2006 (PDT)


ZZTers who are Internet Cool

HEY WE SHOULD DO A PAGE THATS LIKE PEOPLE WHO WERE ZZTERS WHO ARE FAMOUS ON THE INTERNET FOR MAKING FLASH MOVIES OR BAD COMICS WITH SCIENTISTS AND STUFF!!!!!

i dont really know where to make that suggestion but i think it's a good idea and i'm waaaayyyy too lazy to do it.

your friend,

--zamros


I think this is a swell idea. Who could we list to kick it off? Would clysm count for Seiklus?

--MadTom 05:39, 30 April 2006 (PDT)


Don't forget Flimsy (Mirrored Garfield Strips)

--Quantum P. 19:12, 30 April 2006 (PDT)


Those are probably the only two

--Crankgod 19:19, 30 April 2006 (PDT)


Should we also mention zamros, Donut, Fishfood, and Eurakarte for bash.org quotes?

--MadTom 00:56, 1 May 2006 (PDT)


aric mackeown or however it's spelled, veloso, tim sweeney

-zmrs


what about misteroo and that arfenhaus thing

i've never watched it, but some people get WAY too excited about that flash.

--Nadir 07:23, 1 May 2006 (PDT)


uh yeah i've thought about this before, how about the guy who made mall monkeys? he hung out with lemmer and co.

--Dave2 15:37, 1 May 2006 (PDT)


you mean eric drobile/duhreetoh, right? skullie says he's a paedophile omg

also he was a mzxer if that counts for anything. made all that ZANE PROFESSIONAL IDIOT stuff.

--Nadir 15:48, 1 May 2006 (PDT)


and booshkies

--Revvy 15:49, 1 May 2006 (PDT)


to Nadir: everyone at Disaster Labs did Arfenhouse, though Misteroo seems to have gotten most of the credit for it. In the last scene of Arfenhouse: The Movie 2, Misteroo is talking to a guy named "Neutrino," which based solely on the similarities in name, may or may not be AKNeutron.

--Kjorteo 16:22, 1 May 2006 (PDT)


I'll make a stubbed start on it now at Famous ZZTers.

--MadTom 23:08, 1 May 2006 (PDT)


Noteworthy Recent Articles

The "Noteworthy recent articles" section hasn't changed in a while. Should we have a talk page for deciding what articles should go up here, like on Wikipedia?

--Quantum P. 13:20, 20 April 2006 (PDT)


That was just some section I added when I wanted everyone to go and look at the Tim Sweeney article. I suppose it could work if we maintained it. The 24 Hours of ZZT page has been pretty well filled out, though it's missing the last few contests (e.g., Flaming_O's one).

--MadTom 13:57, 20 April 2006 (PDT)


Time for some new notable articles

--Revvy 14:03, 14 May 2006 (PDT)


MZX and ZUltimate

The question: Should more detailed information about MegaZeux and its community be considered beyond the scope of ZUltimate?

On one hand, more information will be put into the library. It has to do with ZZT anyway, as it was based off of it and still carries many ZZT features. The MZX wiki is broken, so this will be a more reliable way to store this information.

On the other hand, if we leave it unchecked, certain MZXers could decide to come in and blow a copious load of lame all over the wiki.

Discuss!

--burstroc 00:09, 11 April 2006 (PDT)


I say:

  • Allow MZX bio pages, allow MZXers to edit them so long as they don't fag them up.
  • Define major MZX terms (e.g. 'MZX', 'Robotic', 'DigitalMZX'), BUT
  • Exclude technicalities of MZX (e.g. commands and elements, specific MZX games).
  • Where possible, discuss MZX-related concepts with reference to ZZTers and Z2 (e.g. ZZT/MZX Community Relations)
  • Stop worrying about it, it's not as if all this really needs to be taken seriously

--MadTom 01:42, 11 April 2006 (PDT)


I agree with MadTom

--Stak 08:55, 11 April 2006 (PDT)


I agree... THAT MADTOM IS GAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--Lemmer 10:02, 11 April 2006 (PDT)


I'm not worrying about anything. christ.

Also, why should we exclude MZX games and technical Robotic things? My hosting plan allows for a lot more space and bandwidth, and if it gets too cluttered we can just recategorize.

--burstroc 12:13, 11 April 2006 (PDT)


We shouldn't because the MZXers have their own goddamn wiki that they can be queen on. Christ.

--Anonymous


Actually, they haven't for a year+ now. Sourceforge deleted it and it hasn't been replaced yet.

--Terryn 14:02, 11 April 2006 (PDT)


Yeah, I mentioned that up a ways.

--burstroc 14:05, 11 April 2006 (PDT)


ZUltimate defines itself on the front page as "The ultimate ZZT resource" (my italics). I think that this wiki should not make any special effort to cover MZX-related topics; however, I don't mean to say that covering MZX topics should be forbidden. If a piece of MZX-related material is significant to ZZT or the ZZT commmunity in any way, by all means add it. I think that MadTom's guidelines are sound, and like MadTom said, this isn't something we should be worrying about; I'd like to put this debate aside, keep going with ZZT as the central topic, and see what happens. If the issue becomes more pressing (i.e., if there is actually an article that is exclusively MZX-related), we can always resume the discussion.

--Quantum P. 16:28, 11 April 2006 (PDT)


I don't think either community/software project is on a large enough scale that it's worth enforcing borders.

--Asgromo 20:47, 11 April 2006 (PDT)


Asgromo: I beg to differ! Articles are coming in thick and fast, and there's a wealth of information on the ZZT community. If we were honestly out to make a comprehensive and detailed encyclopaedia of ZZT and its community, it would be huge.

To each to his own. If the MZXers want a wiki again, they'll make it themselves. Allowing MZX content beyond the superficial (i.e. that which is relevant to ZZTers) into ZUltimate is really just asking for trouble. You know they'll fag it all up - admit it.

--MadTom 22:00, 11 April 2006 (PDT)


projekt rules!!!!!

--projekt


I don't think space or bandwidth are issues, though. It's physically possible to have a superlibrary of ZZT/MZX info. I suppose the MZXers fagging it up is something of a concern, though. I just know Kuroneko would make a buttsecks article. *shudder*

--burstroc 16:16, 12 April 2006 (PDT)


Well, take this as an example: POOP ROAD >:(

--MadTom 19:06, 12 April 2006 (PDT)


I don't see how that's any more faggish than Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah i'm burstroc and i don't SHUT UP. So one of them more affected a spin-off of ZZT than it did ZZT. okay

--Asgromo 23:15, 12 April 2006 (PDT)


I'll concede that. But fag is in the eye of the beholder!

--MadTom 23:17, 12 April 2006 (PDT)


I never did give my opinion on this (hurr like anyone'd want it). Having full MZX content on a ZZT wiki is like lumping everything about Hungary and Austria together. Sure, it makes some sense, but then again so does the separation and it overrules the former. MadTom's list of things to include in this ZZT wiki are what I approve, though I'd append specific MZX games that are sequels / prequels to ZZT games (Bernard the Bard, Chrono Wars, etc.). The less this wiki is about full-blown MegaZeux, the less of a chance of an idiotic edit-war. As it stands, it's good.

--Terryn 23:48, 12 April 2006 (PDT)


Thanks for your opinions, everyone. You all do what you see fit. (also asgromo is banned)

--burstroc 01:30, 13 April 2006 (PDT)


You guys do know it's possible to require a login to edit articles, right

--Stak 10:16, 13 April 2006 (PDT)


I don't really want to discourage editing but uh... I don't know, I'm of mixed minds about it.
--Revvy 17:44, 13 April 2006 (PDT)


I second what Terryn said about adding specific MZX games.

--Quantum P. 15:34, 13 April 2006 (PDT)


I say we let every mzxer except godedrp and toxik to write articles.

-zamros


also exophase but it's not like he would come here anyway because he'd be too scared of us

-z. ros


Screenshots

Is there any standard format for ZZT screenshots here? And if so, can someone provide steps for how to take one that will match others?

--Plecostomus


There is no standard! However, what I would recommend doing is getting a copy of a Dos screenshot program, such as Screen Thief. Don't take a screenshot of ZZT from Windows while ZZT is in windowed mode; otherwise, the font doesn't look as good. You will likely get a screenshot that is 640 by 350 pixels. I usually use an image editor to crop the image so that the sidebar isn't visible; this should cut the image size down to a 480 by 350 image. Reduce the image to 16 colors without dithering and save as a GIF or PNG.

--Quantum P. 16:51, 13 May 2006 (PDT)


Technical points

Just a few stylistic things that keep cropping up:

  • When typing IRC or ZZTV channel names, don't put the # outside the link. Do this: [[Rawr|#rawr]]. The link still functions normally and doesn't do anything weird with the hash, even if it's at the start of the article.
  • If you're adding an article about a ZZTer or MZXer, or spot one that hasn't yet been categorised, add [[Category:ZZTers]] or [[Category:MZXers]] to the end of it.
  • You can get rid of the table of contents on any page with more than three headings by putting __NOTOC__ anywhere in the article body.

--MadTom 20:23, 13 May 2006 (PDT)


Series

Should a series of ZZT games have a single page, or should each installment have its own page? I think that the single-page approach would be better in theory, but I'm not sure how that would work with the template.

--Plecostomus


Do what's practical. If the series was released all at once and the games are rather small, you might make it all one page. On the other hand, if there are two or three games in a series and all were pretty big games, go ahead and make a page for each one.

--burstroc 21:41, 16 May 2006 (PDT)


You can always fill the fields with multiple release dates, and have the main link do a z2 search for the series name rather than one zip file

--MadTom 22:01, 16 May 2006 (PDT)


I'd lean towards one page per series, with some exceptions:

  • If the game is more of a "spiritual sequel" rather than a traditional sequel. Very few cases, but they exist. (A good example would be the Scribbit's Mini Game series, if it didn't span GCSes.)
  • Games made in a different GCS in a game series (99.99% of the time in MegaZeux) should usually get their own pages, on virtue of being divorced from ZZT.

As for size judgments, it'd depend on the size of each individual game more than anything. If a really large series can have each part summed up quickly, there's no need to give each part its own page.

--Terryn 22:09, 16 May 2006 (PDT)


I agree with burstroc's/Terryn's approach; do it on a case-by-case basis. Single pages are generally better in my opinion, but multiple pages can be made if there's seriously enough material for more than one article.

--Quantum P. 12:16, 17 May 2006 (PDT)

hb 2 zu

I don't know if anyone remembered, but I think ZUltimate's 1st anniversary was on December 3rd? That is frightening. Just saying! --Nadir 04:46, 5 December 2006 (PST)


December 4th, actually, but thanks for remembering <:D --burstroc 16:21, 5 December 2006 (PST)

How big is ZU?

Just a thought. Is there any way to gauge how many non-redirect pages there are on ZUltimate right now? I'm just interested, is all. There's the "all pages" list but that links all the redirects, which is no use. --Nadir 05:32, 30 December 2006 (PST)

Special:Statistics says 681 pages, excluding stuff like stubs, redirects, and talk pages. --Quantum P. 17:50, 30 December 2006 (PST)

Well there are a lot of stubs (many of which could pass for real articles) here on ZU, so the actual number is probably a lot higher.

Ando 18:14, 30 December 2006 (PST)

awesome, thanks quantum --Nadir 04:26, 2 January 2007 (PST)

Reapplying the update

Quantum I seem to remember you updated ZUltimate's wiki database with a newer version shortly after the move? Since we lost in the haxening, maybe you could reapply it since we're back to the old version? That would be rad! --Nadir 07:50, 19 August 2007 (PDT)


...Not sure what you're referring to? The database was restored from Burstroc's copy, which was from the move back in January or February. As for the version of the MediaWiki software we're currently using, it's a bit older than the one we used up to last July. I'll check on that... --Quantum P. 19:46, 19 August 2007 (PDT)


Yeah, that's what I mean. It gave previews of new edits in the "recent changes" section as well as other little stuff. it's conspicuous by its absence. --Nadir 01:52, 20 August 2007 (PDT)


MediaWiki upgrade done! Let me know if anything's broken. --Quantum P. 23:44, 26 August 2007 (PDT)