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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:36 am 
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One of my long-time fantasies is to get caught acting like I'm a dragon in real life and talkin' over the net and not letting up on that I am in real life (like a real Dragon Furry)...
even though I actually am one...
and then coolly manipulate them over time through shared Furry-hating or anything else to meet each other more likely and meet up more often and start hangin' with each other in real life...
and then just show up at some... party... where there are like 10 or 11 of them in a room...
All these fucks who told me I was just a Furry taking it wayyyyy too far and not fooling anyone I then get to get me into saying ''Fuck you, I'm a dragon! '' ONE LAST TIME...
And then I take off my Humansuit.
''Oh fuck me...
You are a dragon! ''


Somewhere out there there is a close group of 'reckless teenagers' sort of friends experimenting with a combination of
THREE things to come closer and closer to heights of... some kind of wierd pursuit of... polyamorous passion for life and all its pleasures...
0x00. tense sessions of ridding themselves of all deep-seated unresolved emotional conflicts by working each other through their life issues,
0x01. procedurally taking hallucinogens, and
0x02. entirely unrestrained orgies
and they will still never match the level of poetic fulfillment if I ever got to succesfully acheive this one 'Furry Fantasy' of mine.


However three things stand in my way of this...
First of all I'm not a dragon in real life and I don't claim to be and if I do it's just for fun to drag on the awkward conversation over others' heads (I may be a Furry but I ain't THAT kind of Furry dammit)... but now... three things.
0x00. Our society is not yet technologically advanced enough for full-on body-form engineered customizations to be not only possible to do repeatedly BUT cost-effective AND commercially available at the general consumer level... Wait 50 to 100 years... We will get there but
0x01. It will be far too long before this is all available to be done and by that point most of us will be far too old and decrepit to be healthy enough to go through with the procedure(s) and
0x02. By that point everyone will be doing it anyway so it would defeat the purpose of it if it wasn't gonna be a surprise revelation.
Imagine you could spend half of every hour of the day in both your waking and sleeping life working solely to get to be a dragon in real life and THEN pull it on others by surprise and TIME IT so that you are the FIRST and thus GET TO do this when it's available.


My Fursona is actually a tall and skinny yet well-toned dark-skinned long-haired Tribal/Indigenous American female-side full Herm with full wings, a canine-styled knot, and horns and a tail and her own share of 'real life drama' entirely made up to go with her to boot... so
this whole 'a dragon' thing is moot. Again really it's just a fantasy.


But you can make a ZZT game about it.
And others can share in the adventure about it with you.
And if you do it well enough for it to be good in overall quality as a game and get it submitted in timely manner after its completion then it may even get a good review.
And that is what I love about this place.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:55 pm 
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I only skimmed this post, but it's pretty great/terrible. :freud:

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 2:06 am 
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I've never understood furries, but I've understood why dragons are included as furries even less.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:54 am 
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Commodore wrote:
I've understood why dragons are included as furries even less.

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If you're talking about that Dragons are generally 'scaled' and not 'furred' not making sense for the term 'Furry' that's easy.
As far as physical form goes it's about the specific way the 'animal featuring' is exactly equivalent to the 'human body frame' shape that's part of it.


Hence any 4-legged animal of any sort can effectively have what the physical body form of an Anthro of that animal would look like drawn out (sometimes more literally than others) quite quckly for those who actually 'get' Furry.
Don't forget that it's not necessarily the 'Anthro' types. A lot of Furry characters are what they call 'Feral'. That's when it's just as equivalent to Homo Sapiesn but not even in the 'human body frame' shape of things.


Furry is defined as having 'best of both' of the ferocity, instinctual cunning, and sexual attractiveness of wild animals (usually top predator animals) and ocasionally their 'domesticated' derivatives (Dobermans etc.) and all the actual 'Sentience' type of mental features, capacity, and Human psychology of actual 'Homo Sapiens' humans...
What you get is an idealized form of body, mind, and in some cases even emotion (given how Furries TEND to be (but not exclusively) better at actually arguing over the net and not just the dumbed-down 'internet arguing' seen today) that is then fully employed for storytelling, dicking around with what can be expanded on for ideas, and for emotionally intense orgious sessions of fucking each others' brains out for both sexual enjoyment and non-sexual fun at the same time.
I'm not even kidding about that last part of ''both sexual enjoyment and non-sexual fun at the same time''.
Just look at how much of Furry Pr0n involves really gimmicky jokes around how they imagine things work at times.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:22 am 
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Well it was slightly in jest, but pressed for a more serious response....

Would you say that it is the emotional side of particular animal that the furry most identifies with? Or is it the form? Or are the emotional traits of a particular form so entrenched that it would be rare to see a submissive dragon but common to see a submissive domestic?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:57 pm 
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What you generally get with Furries is that the individual Furry characters have their own personalities.
If it's a Fursona that a Furry Artist or other Furry is 'playing' they will generally reflect the personality of the person who has it as their Fursona (or at least what they like about their own personality enough to use as part of the more 'idealized form' that they have for their Fursona personality-wise).
If it's a character in general from a Furry storytelling saga or other instaces of Furry characters then you'll find they will also then stress the character's own... well... character as an individual.
Though, barring individual personality, there are heavy tie-ins to what the specific animal (or multiple animals) the Furry character is an Anthro of (or otherwise has in its features as an Anthro) is known for and what the Furry character is like in their own pesonaltiy traits.


Hence you will see things like Dragon Anthros being fierce and dominant yet wise, Wolf anthros having a heavy sense of loyalty to what they find important to them, Fox anthros being frisky, fun-loving, and mischievous, Bird/Avian anthros being curious, shy, and passionate about watching over things before then getting really wild and crazy when they do get involved, and even Snake Anthros (yes, really, not to be confused with even Alligator/Crocodile/Caiman anthros) having a tendency to be Saucy, Sassy, and clever in their ways.
As much as the point of Furry is about the idealization of being both 'better people' for their greater... emotional intuitiveness... and higher bestial instincts without a compromise for human sentience and to be particularly sexually attractive in ways, it seems, only Animal Anthros can provide (it's really not the same thing as just being halfway between a Human and a non-human Animal) but also to make... good use... of the significance of actual real-world animal personalty trends.


It doesn't mean that makin' 'em act like the animals they are 'of' in their specific Anthro form will entirely trump the individual personalities of the Furry characters themselves by any means.
Case in point, my ZZT forums avatar, is of a character by the name of Grizela... part of a saga of sorts called Fanatail... by an artist known as Teaf.


She has more than enough youthful enthusiasm, burning pride, and bold courage to face whatever challenges come her way to cover a whole crowd of scared post-apocalyptic refugees, with more than her own fair share of a sarcastic attitude to boot, and yet she has her own share of problems from always seeming to wind up in more trouble than she can get out of on her own.
Real character depth I can 'read into' for her as I see her having to come to terms with needing help from friends at times.
Which I relate to from my own recent experiences with other close personal friends over the net helping me with my... last year and a half or so... of people hating me all the time for reasons that, I can understand why, but don't make it right... and they help me with these issues... so of course I do 'read into' her story taking inspiration from my own.
Yet she is really just ripped from the 'standing anim' of her MUGEN character (again, made by Teaf, for the MUGEN engine), I don't speak a word of Japanese (Fanatail is in Japanese... ), and if it weren't for her ''Hentai Edits'' to go with ''MUGEN Hentai'' thanks to one particularly dedicated author of 'Hentai edits' I could mention she wouldn't even have the character sounds she uses that were instrumental, for me, in seeing more about her personality-wise.
I'm not really into rape, and even for ''MUGEN Hentai'' I'm more into it for the sex (and sometimes dumb jokes about the sex/rape of 2D Fighting Game characters en masse), so it's a wonder I even wound up becoming this attached to Grizela as a character.
She does, however, reflect things about my own personality that I like... and she has 'dragon Anthro featuring' without being a full-on dragon Anthro... just as my own Fursona is not merely a full-on Anthro of one or more animals...


So you can see that, even for me, that my ZZT forums avatar is a 'dragon Furry' even in a loose sense does not necessarily mean it's just 'cause I like dragons.
I'm actually more of a Wolf-oriented Furry.
If you can believe that.
My 'Animal Preference', if you will, is more towards Gray Wolves/White Wolves/Timberwolves, Avians (large predatory birds specifically), Demoness/Deviless/Succubus type things, other 'non-furred' Anthro types like slick-skinned (as opposed to scaled) kinda Alien-looking dragoness creatures (Gargoyles, as is in Disney's Gargoyles, fit this... though I wouldn't call it Disney's... ask Greg Weissman), Western Dragons, Red Foxes, Siberian Tigers (yet not those all-white ones but the ones that are orange as well... so it's like Bengal Tigers... but Siberian Tiger size), Cheetahs, Crocodiles/Alligators/Caimans, Orcas, Moose, Reindeer (dammit Rudolph! ), and Great White Sharks... in that order... and don't ask me how I know the order I put them in 'cause even I don't know and it's not yet 'set in stone' at this point.
Suffice it to say that I have a baseline value for each specific Animal that the majority of Anthros are made off of assigned to Hexadecimal indexing arrangements in groups of powers of 2 and then I just pick the Hexadecimal numbers I like (always keep one reserved for 0x00, then go to others, like 0x11 or 0x05 or 0x20)...
Also Moogles. I have a thing for Anthros of Moogles (they aren't actually Anthro as they appear in Final Fantasy games, yet aren't totally non-sentient 4-legged wild animals either, but that confusion didn't stop Furries). This is in no small part due to Ian McConville's Mog Mod art.
Finally, believe it or not, even Tarantulas or other larger, more 'cuddly-looking', non-venemous spiders.
Though preferably in a more 'slick-skinned alien femme' sort of a way when it's an Anthro of one.
Nothing turns me on quite like the sight of a sexy spideresque femme looming over you, friendly, enticing you with a devilish grin, open arms, and quivering, twitching, shaking hind legs just dripping in anticipation from 2 of 4 orifices in the groin area, 3 of which are generally usable for sex, and all 4 of which she'd be willing to experiment with for sex if you got to know each other well enough.
This has been a long-time fantasy of mine ever since not long after I started playing Quake and got well-acquainted with the Shalraths.
Even they are not canonically female in Quake.
Though I have seen good evidence to support that I'm not alone in envisioning them this way...


What isn't specifically about Sex in Furry is still gonna have a heavy aspect of that it's particularly sexually attractive characters.
When it isn't specifically that they are particularly sexually attractive it's then actually about them being particularly attractive even non-sexually in appearance, about how they are ferociously powerful without being mindless incompassionate monsters, and how they can look damn good in a suit of revealing, yet somehow well-suited for battle, body armor.


Furry down to its basic facets is all done in fun, so since what you're doing is so often with characters, you get to do things without being within the confines of normal 'HY00MAN' body forms, and without so much of 'stupid people all over the world' tendencies (yet still have the psychology to go on for character drama), and without the Societal repression both sexually and otherwise.
So, then, while you will take strong inspiration from the 'animal references' in the Furry characters it won't take precedent over the individual characters' character as an individual.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:45 pm 
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I have no idea what any of this is about, but since when is a girl with a tail and horns "furry?" Is the common portrayal of the devil now furry porn?

Also,

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sexual attractiveness of wild animals (usually top predator animals)
What?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:26 pm 
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So you can see that, even for me, that my ZZT forums avatar is a 'dragon Furry' even in a loose sense does not necessarily mean it's just 'cause I like dragons.


Eh, looks more like a monster girl to me. It's not even a 2 on the KJORTEO SCALE OF FURRINESS.
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No offense, Aitch-One! But see, I like your avatar and I am not a furry (just like your avatar isn't quite furry).

Have a scientastic day! :keen:


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:20 am 
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In retrospect trying to explain specific things about what Furry is in detail on ZZT forums was a bad idea.
Though, in my defense, I was given good indication that others were interested in a detailed explanation.


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since when is a girl with a tail and horns "furry?" Is the common portrayal of the devil now furry porn?
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If it's a love of non-humans that have a human body frame or otherwise are 'sentient' as humans are without the same 'Human body form' as actual Homo Sapiens, then yes, it can be considered Furry.
Though, as I've said, it's not strictly about the body form so much as the sort of character you deal with. That's just one good way to be able to tell. A 'drawn art' interpretation of a Succubus with all its glories of wings, 'Furry herm' anatomy, horns and a tail and any other manner of stuff 'normal humans' aren't supposed to have specifically for the purpose of having sex in ways 'normal humans' don't get to... would by all means... classify as 'Furry'.


Just look at how many Furries there are that celebrate the blue-skinned, purple-skinned, cyan-skinned etc. 'devilish-looking elf races' in MMORPG games with a variety of 'Anthro' races/character classes to choose from and the ones more 'based on animals with equal fervor.
In Everquest you have whatever race Firiona is from versus tiger guys and frogloks...
In World of Warcraft it's Draenai versus Worgen and Tauren...
Even in Lineage II there's half-naked gray-skinned elven spellcasters... sooo... 'nuff said about that there then.


Case in point, now, you remember when James Cameron's Avatar came out in 2009 or something I think it was?
Well not long after that a LOT of 'Na'vi Pr0n' was coming out... and for all the same reasons that Furry Art both Adult and General was loved... so did they do the 'Na'Vi Art; both Adult and General.
Though then Furries took to hating on them to maybe try and detract attention from themselves being hated on for being Furry...
It wasn't long before that, too, was called out as Hypocritical over not 'being the better man' in that circumstance.
As one pointed out somewhere in e621 comments (unfortunately in very bad English that would not pass even for a native Taiwanese speaker trying their best to emulate English) a dudette/dude made the point that if you tried to tell someone (mostly random who but in context) in conversation that you hat the hots for Neytiri, or that you had the hots for Renamon, Krystal, Aeris from VG cats or what have you, which one do you think they would hate you over.
I wouldn't see one as worse than the other 'cause at any rate it's the same general ideas with different specifics.
But that's my point.
Others seem to identify Furry on the basis of how it LOOKS, but while that's a good way to be able to tell, it doesn't serve to actually understand what it's all about.


As for ''particularly sexually attractive wild animals (especially top predator anmals)'' being in question a statement...
If you were really a Furry you'd know what it means to be turned on by Anthros of Wild Animals even if not by the wild animals themselves 'cause you know how it's hot to see them in that Anthro form themselves even if not the animals themselves.
Some Furries are into Zoophilia/Bestiality and some are not but the general consensus is that they all 'get' the way an Anthro of an animal (or multiple animals combined) is sexually attractive from the way that it's done.
It's why you see Furries having so many more large stuffed animals than others .They may not even be PARTICULARLY into Plushophilia... Though that doesn't mean they won't go for it if they have it, and maybe choose thier 'stuffed companions' with no small weighting in the decision-making on how it will be for them 'in bed', meaning they are doing Plushiophilia to enjoy sex with larger stuffed animals, sure, but not in Particular, 'cause when you think about it, Fursuitng, getting sketches at AnthroCon, and hangin' out at the comments on e621 is 'weirder' anyway.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:41 pm 
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Not every strange sexual fetish in existence is furry, dude. Getting turned on by actual wild animals, as opposed to fictional depictions of anthropomorphic animals, is not furry, it's bestiality. Accusing somebody of not being a furry if they don't get off to real animals is like saying somebody doesn't like young women because they're not a paedophile. :safe:


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:45 pm 
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I will admit that it's a very loose categorization... I mean if it were me I'd prefer a strict categorization of what counts as Furry. Then put everything else into other near-Furry categories.
What have you. Not out to say what does and does not count as Furry. Just to explain this all as queried...


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