What should a newbie toolkit contain?

Quindo · Post by **Quindo** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:36 pm

see topic.

burstroc · Post by **burstroc** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:00 pm

i'm sure there are newbie toolkits already out there.

Commodore · Post by **Commodore** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:50 pm

do you mean toolkit in the classical fashion? that is "a single board with 'everything' you need to do graphics/make a game?

look for z-files, that has practically every one.

Of course making your own is a good idea as it helps you figure out what sorts of things are necessary for a game and also how to make the most of the space you are given on a board.

superbowl shuffle · Post by **superbowl shuffle** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:21 pm

its also a rite of passage

Post by **Quantum P.** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:57 pm

If you mean something like what you uploaded to z2, I have a several recommendations:

1) Leave out the "game starters". I would advise against people to finish other people's incomplete games.

2) Pack everything into as few worlds as possible. It's unnecessarily cumbersome when you've got several worlds, each with only a few boards.

3) Make sure that it's helpful to newbies. You had a ZZT rendition of Ode to Joy in there; impressive, but how does that help a newbie? Write a tutorial on how to transcribe sheet music to #play commands, and use the Ode to Joy piece as an example of what can be done.

4) Leave out STK and ZZT Syndromes. They're great, but you don't need to include them in the zip file; simply telling newbies where to get them will suffice.

I don't mean to come down too hard on this project, Quindo; I just want to see it become a success.

Post by **Zenith Nadir** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:48 am

best zzt help guide ever: "how to be a zzt'er" by stak. you should get it!!!!!!!!!! srsly

zzt crime is pretty good, but zzt syndrome came first so it's better (sorry kjorteo i know i just enraged you with that statement). get them both!

there's also a little known game called "zzt cliche" which is a very good guide to some of the more annoying aspects of zzt games. i don't remember who made it though! i may not even have the name right!

oh, z-files is worth getting too. i remember when i released the first version and i included a toolkit by some idiot called "roastbeef", and he made xabbott take it off the archive because he did not want it in the file and it was "cause for impeachment, dangeet" (his word). it was not even a very good toolkit!

that guy was an idiot! fuck that guy! wait what was i talking about

Stak · Post by **Stak** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:02 pm

I hate you

superbowl shuffle · Post by **superbowl shuffle** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:25 am

If I remember right, zzt cliches was a little sketchy.

Seventh Shade · Post by **Seventh Shade** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:50 pm

More things to add to a newbie tool kit:

1. A list of websites that don't rule anymore, if they ever did (badger badger badger, etc)
2. A picture of zamros' penis.
3. caitlog
4. Horrible furry porn
5. Instructions on how to roll a joint or make a bong.
6. Instructions on how to talk to a black person to aquire pot.
7. A how to guide on suicide in case no one likes you.
8. Cave story

Post by **MadTom** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:56 am

9. The DSM-IV
10. Meatspin
11. EITHER:
a) a Linux distribution
b) a picture of Godedrp

Commodore · Post by **Commodore** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:38 am

a zzter's cookbook?

Schroedingers Cat · Post by **Schroedingers Cat** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:31 am

13. A Skeptisoft Toolkit
14. Autism
15. 1 Edible Pot Brick, Curtain Flavor (Just add water and stirr)
16. A copy of "The Anarchist's Cookbook"
17. A printout of the Epic Megagames catalogue
18. The Necronomicon
19. Cave Story translation patch
20. An ASCII chart
21. Why I'm so Great, by Zenith Nadir
22. Ritalin
23. Various mind games to increase wit
24. A Dictionary
25. A Thesarus

Post by **MadTom** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:23 am

26. A box containing:
- All of Flimsy's Azumanga Daioh pictures
- A picture of Curly Brace from Cave Story
- A picture of Hitler
- Another picture of zamros' penis
- A picture of zztzed
- A bottle of personal lubricant
27. An "Ando is Autistic" hat

Post by **Zenith Nadir** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:59 am

28. a zzt file called "the complete guide to deathwinter"

Post by **Alexis Janson** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:14 am

29. tape dispenser
30. bees
31. 10,000 ping pong balls
32. 1 bowling ball
33. hammer
34. horse
35. baby
36. item
37. pascal's impossible triangle
38. this list
39. gray goo
40. hammer (remix)